A transcript of the above section on Eucharistic miracles in the Novus Ordo
From roughly the 27:00 minute mark [emphasis mine]:
Interviewer: Now, our our very next question, interestingly enough, is from a different viewer, but it kind of touches upon this, this topic a little bit in a different way. And that question is, if the Novus Ordo Church is indeed a new Church and a departure from the true Church, and its validity is in question, how is it there that there are still Eucharistic miracles associated with it?
Fr. Jenkins: Well, there are Eucharistic miracles associated with it. That doesn't mean they're real.
Remember, the only one who can really, adjudicate that question, who can judge whether a Eucharistic miracle really is true or not, and really from God Himself is the power of the Church. But that's exactly what the question is right now: 'By what authority is this Novus Ordo hierarchy speaking?'
Well, let's face it, they, they've given us a new Code of Canon Law, which incorporates things that the Church formerly would call sacrilegious, always considered sacrilegious. It incorporates, not only, this kind of new morality, even when it upholds a moral law saying artificial contraception is wrong, it doesn't enforce that, even when it says abortion is wrong, it's not enforcing that for the politicians and others who still go ahead and promote it.
So even where it does uphold the traditional moral teaching, it doesn't enforce that, by the power of law and the power of, the executive, you know, penalties and so on. It has broken, it has brought in the entire new form of worship, New Mass and all their New Sacraments, and suppressing very much the Catholic understanding of what these, this worship is all about. I mean, even in the New Mass, as I mentioned before, if we just take the Offertory Prayers of the New Mass, so-called, and put them next to the Offertory Prayers of the Traditional Mass, one can see very clearly the essential meaning of the Traditional Mass and the essential meaning of the New Mass. And they're not the same. The essential meaning of the Traditional Mass has been completely obliterated in the New Mass.
The New Mass is simply a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving, whereas the Traditional Mass, as is stated so beautifully and powerfully by the Council of Trent, is a sacrifice not only of praise and thanksgiving, it's a sacrifice of reparation for sin. It's the Sacrifice of Calvary. That's the essential difference between the New Mass and the Traditional Mass. And you know, as Cardinal Ottaviani said, he said, 'it's a striking departure from the, the, from the theology, the, the teaching of the Church about the essence of the Mass, what the Mass really is.' They brought an entire order of worship, entire new order of worship. And of course, they're changing under Francis. They're changing the very power structure of the power of the authority, structure of the church as it was established by Christ Francis, is, is completely, gutting the meaning of the papacy, eviscerating the meaning of the papacy, and changing it into something totally different from what the Church has always understood the papacy to be.
So after dealing with changing the meaning of the Priesthood and changing the meaning of the Episcopate, now they've gone right to the Papacy. And Francis is transforming that in his own image, and not what it is, not what Christ bestowed upon St. Peter. So you have that essential change, which goes completely against the indefectibility of the church, which means the Church cannot change substantially in the course of time. It's impossible for the Catholic Church to undergo a substantial change from the founding by our Lord to the end of the world. It's impossible. But this is what the modernists are doing right now, and what they're producing is not another form of Catholicism. It is really the Church of Modernism, which is like fundamental anti-Catholicism. It's meant to be a replacement for Catholicism. It is meant to obliterate Catholicism and replace it as they originally tried to do with the Traditional Mass, and they found they couldn't do it, so they brought in their Indult Mass.
But in any case you know, I'm sorry, could you repeat that question? I want to answer very specifically, having kind of laid all that down
Interviewer:
Here. So the question basically is if the Novus Ordo Church is a new church and a departure from the true church, how is it that there are still Eucharistic miracles associated with it?
Fr. Jenkins:
Okay, well, you see, I'll just answer as I, as I see it myself. I consider them all very suspect.
Satan mimics God, he's called the ape of God, right? He will try to perform false miracles to lead people astray. One might as well ask, well, why are there stigmatists in Protestant religions? Is this Christ's way of saying that they also are perfectly Christian, perfectly, you know, on the same par with Catholicism? And so you have stigmatists who have the marks of the wounds of Christ, just as we have Catholic saints, like St. Francis, for example with the wounds of Christ. Is this not God's way of showing us that all of these different Protestant denominations really are fundamentally really Christian and all essentially the same and all, please Him and all ultimately lead to Heaven? Well the answer to that is, no.
Because Christ established one Church, not multiple churches, all teaching different things. Christ established the Church [under] the Apostles and said that the Holy Ghost would guide them to teach what He had taught and keep the Church on the right track. And Protestantism is actually a defection from that. So, you know, we have to keep in mind with regard to this ecumenist idea, didn't want to get off track here, is that a humanism is actually a very naturalistic way of looking at things. Not a supernatural way, but a natural way of looking at things. Because the Catholic Church's teaching on natural religion and natural theology is that as human beings, we have the power of reason. And the power of reason can get us to know about the true God as our Creator.
We have the ability to know that there is a God who created us, that we, we can actually, by the power of reason, begin to discern some of His attributes, you know, His infinity, the infinite power, His intellect, and His will, and His goodness, His unity, and so on. We can, by natural reason, learn these things. Actually, Vatican Council I taught that dogmatically, it's a dogma of Faith, that this is true. But the problem is, though, that the power of reason is so darkened. We're kind of groping in the dark, and we can learn little by little over time with a great deal of error mixed in, and we can kind of piece together an idea, an idea of God and our Creator, and we can add truth to truth and reason from truth to truth. So it's kind like a, a cumulative process where we build from error and then we add truth, and we overcome error, and we add truth.
And so you have these very gradations. You have some more truth, less truth, more truth, less truth among all these different natural religions. See, that's kind of the ecumenism idea, that you have more truth, less truth, and they're all kind of relative, you know as to the different religions can learn from each other because they've discerned
this truth about God, whereas that religion is discerned
that truth about God, and you kind of put them all together and you get a mosaic of God, you know. That's what ecumenism is. This is what the modern Conciliar Church is kind of pushing on us all. You know, 'we have a lot to learn from the non-Catholic religions about who God is and how he does things' and so on. Whereas the Catholic understanding it's always been this, that God has revealed Himself to us not only through the prophets, but ultimately through His own Son.
The Son of God has come here and taught us the True Religion and given us the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth in a religion that is the One True Religion because it comes from God Himself. That God has bypassed this natural struggle that we've had here to try to try to find Him. Like people groping in the darkness of our thoughts and our limited intelligence and has revealed Himself to us. He's even revealed ourselves to us, you know, in revealing Himself to us who we are. And the Church doesn't look therefore, as at that religion as though it's one of many Christian religions. The Church doesn't look therefore, as something that we've contrived or we've discovered for ourselves as a modernist stew by our experiences over time, discerning what God is like as, as the world passes on from one generation to the next, distilling down an idea of God.
This is Divine Revelation. And there, there, there is all truth and no error in this Religion, in Her dogmas and in Her moral teaching. She's preserved from that by the special power of Christ who revealed this to us. Okay? So there's a place for this naturalistic ecumenism of the modernist in Catholic minds and Catholic hearts. And so,
we know that the teachings of the Catholic Faith are revealed by Christ, and we have to accept them, and we have to profess them without compromise, because they're the truth.
Again, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So, modern ecumenism approaches in a very naturalistic way which is completely contrary to the supernatural origin of our Catholic faith. We cannot accept this modernist religion of a humanism that Vatican II is voicing upon us, therefore, but when it comes down to the question that the gentleman asks here about these, these private revelations or these Eucharistic miracles, as he's speaking of, therefore, we as Catholics have to look at them as at least very suspect, because we have to say, well, a miracle like this would be an act of God.
If it is an act of God, then if the message here is that God is endorsing this [Conciliar] religion and saying that it doesn't really matter to Him what religion you follow, whether you follow the religion He Himself brought to us, or He Himself revealed to us. But you can follow what is a false religion because it has deviated from that the, the fullness of truth that Christ has given and is a denial of the principle of faith, which is accept the teachings of God through Jesus Christ on the authority of God revealing and says, even in one case, well, we'll believe something else than what the Church teaches because it makes more sense to us, or we find it more acceptable than what the Catholic Church teaches. You've just broken the whole idea of what Faith is accepting something on the authority of what God has revealed through His Apostles and down through the ages, through His Church that He established.
Even if you depart from one dogma of Faith, you've broken the whole idea of what Faith is and acceptance of truth on the basis of the authority of God, revealing it in favor of something else, you know? So we cannot believe that these things come from God if there is something going on here that is above the natural.
Therefore, if there is a stigmatic who let's say is among a religion of those who deny the Catholic faith, and therefore what Christ has actually revealed, then that cannot be a supernatural manifestation. It could be a preternatural manifestation. It could be the work of Satan himself. It could be the work of human hysteria. It could be a fraud. It could be any number of things. But it is not, certainly not from God as an endorsement of that false religion.
Interviewer:
Well, in fact, even in Scripture, we have examples of false, priests, performing miracles. I mean, when Moses went to the Pharaoh, right, he threw down his staff, and it turned into the serpent, and then the false priest did the same thing, and his staff ate the, the other serpents.
Fr. Jenkins:
Moses' staff devoured these, you know, exactly right. I mean, this was known as sorcery. And you know, the ancient people say they, they had sorcery.
St. Paul says the gods of the pagans are devils. And so, I mean, the devils have these powers. They're natural to angel, fallen angels to have such powers to do these things. You're right. And even in the Catholic church, I mean, the Church has discerned very often that this stigmatic was not really a stigmatic at all. That this teacher that, I mean, there have been nuns and closure convents who've been found out to be frauds, and the Church has unveiled it, there may be frauds before the whole world said, look, this religious and this continent here has claimed to receive messages from God. And it is the Catholic Church itself that has unveiled this fraud and denounced it as such. So if among even Catholics and apparently devout Catholics, we find false manifestations like this, either due to some human psychological issue or even some diabolical invention, some diabolical intervention, then certainly outside the Catholic Faith,
when we see something like this happen, we have to be very suspicious that there's something, if there is something above the natural happening here, then it is not from God, but it's from some other sinister source.
[Any inadvertent transcription errors are mine.]
